Wheels and Tyres

Blum · Oct 18, 2012

MyTyres.co.uk are now showing 16 inch steel wheels complete with winter tyres, for the 1.4S and 1.6S that come on 16 inch steel wheels.
Note : Tyre is not same as original 205/70/16 but 215/65/16

If you want to look after your alloys (Exclusive, Tech Line, SE) for the winter there is only 1.1% difference between MyTyres 16 inch and original 18 inch.

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Yes there is a difference of 1%, but if a new tyre comes with 7mm of tread and when half worn its 7mm smaller diameter ( 2x 3.5mm) thats more that 1%, what say you guys?

Price, wheel and tyre from £93.60p to £163.90p.

Edited by: Blum

Dan · Oct 20, 2012

Thanks, some useful info there. Stillundecided about either 'weathering' it out or going to winter tyres... could be expensive if we don't get any snow.

wingy999 · Oct 20, 2012

got my alloy wheel winter tyre package from wheel base alloys £950 for 17" and vrdestein wintac 3 tyres.
where i live ill need them. every little helps.

Blum · Oct 21, 2012

Winter tyres are not only good in snow see
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=clSC7APitaQ
I have changed to winter tyres the last two years, on a slight hill near here (Paternoster Hill) I passed a big Porsche 4x4 (Cayenne?) that was just sitting on an icy surface spinning all its wheels.

Edited by: Blum

Blum · Nov 12, 2012

It would appear that the Mokka wheels are the same PCD as 09+ Astras,
5 x 105 / 56.5.
If the Vauxhall locking wheel nut / bolts are the same quality as others (Nissan) there are only ten different combinations of key so that the technicians use a 'master' key when servicing.
Might want to think about McGard locking nut / bolts, there might be a lot of Astras suddenly changing their 16 inchers for 18's.

Edited by: Blum

Mokkadna · Jan 6, 2013

I ordered a Mokka 1.7cdti 4x4 se in velvet red on the free fuel weekend but not expected to arrive till late march.
I ordered with a full size 18inch alloy and was told that it should/probably fit in the wheel well.
Has anyone ordered the same spec spare wheel taken delivery of their mokka yet who can confirm that it does or if not can anyone with a mokka with the 18inch alloys try fitting in the wheel well too check.
Any assistance with his would be greatly appreciated.

Edited by: KevYouson

UKMOKKARUS · Jan 23, 2013

Hi, just to add 2 penith worth on snow tyres.
We've run Snow tyres the last 5 years on both our cars and honestly would not be without them Dec-March. They allowed our Mini van to do things local 4x4 owners where struggling with. Having the extra traction to get up hills is nice but for me its more about stopping distance improvement then anything. Yes they are a expense and you have to store them when not in use...butoneone set lasts 4 years at least and the summer tyresdontget that half year of wear.
I took the Mokka out last night and went down a back track that is still full of snow and drifts. Mokka on standard tyres did fine pulling away but on a downhill section the antilock struggled to keep it from sliding.
I have the snow tyres ordered for it and will post if i notice a difference.
Cheers

Blum · Jan 23, 2013

Page 167 of the online manual (166 if you have areal paper copy) states
"Tyres
Tyres of size 195/70 R16 are only to be used as winter tyres."
Confused, does this mean 195/70 R16 if you were to have some can only be used as winter tyres
OR
If you want to put winter tyres on they must be 195/70 R16?
195/70 R16 are 2.1% out from 215/55/18. The standard a tyre on our alloys.
215/65/16 (sold as steel wheel and tyre by MyTyres are less than 1% out.
What are you guys putting Alloys with winter tyres or just bigger alloys getting back from your insurance companies?
By the way
Steel wheel only,16" from Vauxhall (part no. 95131458 is 77 quid + vat) Evans Halshaw.
Five spoke alloy, 18" (part no.13276346 is 150 quid + vat) Evans Halshaw. From my Techline VRM
Five spoke alloy, 18" (part No. v0095181597 241 quid+ vat) Bristol Street Motors.

Churchill wrote back to me =
" Thank you for your email.

You can fit winter tyres to your vehicle, it doesn't
affect your policy. If you wish to add them onto your policy then please call
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Called them "You can fit winter tyres if they are approved for the vehicle"

The only ones approved by Vauxhall are 195/70............... Oh bu66er it, I'm just going around in circles.

Glassy · Jan 23, 2013

Get snow chains i say!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Flat Eric · Jan 26, 2013

Blum said:
By the way
Steel wheel only,16" from Vauxhall (part no. 95131458 is 77 quid + vat) Evans Halshaw.
Five spoke alloy, 18" (part no.13276346 is 150 quid + vat) Evans Halshaw. From my Techline VRM
Five spoke alloy, 18" (part No. v0095181597 241 quid+ vat) Bristol Street Motors.

Standard wheel sizes at a glance.

Vauxhall ??" Steel Space Saver is ???/??/?? Can anyone fill in the gaps please?
Vauxhall 16"Steel wheel standard on S is205/70/16
Vauxhall 18" Five spoke alloy standard onEx& Tech is215/55/18
Vauxhall 18" Five spoke alloy standard on SEis 215/55/18

Arethe cheapest Vauxhall 18" bare wheelsat £180? Then you have toadd tyres & fitting, if so then these 17"s may be of interest.All wheels include free nuts/bolts and spigot rings as standard with £25 insureddelivery.

Less than £235 a corner with none too shabby17"Team Dynamics &Vredestein Wintrac 4 Xtreme tyres. 5 spoke similar design to the Vauxhall 18"s & only 0.6% out on speedo.

http://www.wheelbasealloys.com/17_Inch_Team_Dynamics_Cyclone_Alloy_Wheels_with_215_60_17_HR_Vredestein_Wintrac_4_Xtreme_Winter_Tyres__P1810_4148

Also less than £235 a corner but with Economy Winter 215/60/17 tyres. 5 spoke similar design to the Vauxhall 18"s & also only 0.6% out on speedo.

http://www.wheelbasealloys.com/17_Inch_Borbet_CC_Silver_Alloy_Wheels_with_215_60_17_Economy_Winter_Performance__P2945_281

I quite like the Team Dynamics ones.

Edited by: Flat Eric

Blum · Jan 27, 2013

Standard wheel sizes at a glance.
Vauxhall 16" Steel Space Saver is 125/70/16 <strike>Can anyone fill in the gaps please?</strike>
Vauxhall 16" x 6.5" Steel wheel standard on S is205/70/16
Vauxhall 18" x 7" Five spoke alloy standard onEx& Tech is215/55/18
Vauxhall 18" x 7" Five spoke alloy standard on SEis 215/55/18

http://www.mokkaownersclub.co.uk/forum/spare-wheel_topic52_post3189.html?KW=125#3189

If you are after winter tyres, fitted to a steel wheel MyTyres do complete wheel with tyre from £102 (H rated) that's for WhoFlungDungs, price goes up according to manufacturer.
The best wet rating in the new EU chart system don't necessarily come from the dearest tyres.

Funny thing is if you price up, say, three wheel and tyre packages, then look at their price for tyres by themselves the price of the wheel varies between 42 and 52 quid.

Edited by: Blum

Flat Eric · Jan 27, 2013

Thanks Blum oh wise one.

I'm thinking steel wheels with good snow & wet rated tyreswhatever the brand is the most prudent & economicway to go. That way no expensive alloys to curb should the worst happen & costs arekept to a minimum.

Edited by: Flat Eric

theforestdweller · Jan 29, 2013

I have just been quoted £256.36 + VAT (£307.63) for a Spacesaver wheel from the supplying dealer of my new Mokka (not my local dealer, and I don't know who the supplier is as this is a purchase through Lloyds TSB Carselect)). I appreciate this includes the jack and wheelbrace, but I think this is extortionate. My order is for a stock Mokka due in March so there is no way I'm putting in a new factory order just to get the Spacesaver more cheaply.

Is there anyone here knowledgeable enough to identify the PCD and any other sizing information that would be needed in order to source the wheel itself elsewhere? Does another Vauxhall/Opel vehicle use the same size?

I can then get a tyre, jack and wheelbrace to suit.

Blum · Jan 29, 2013

6½ x 16 PCD 5 x 105.00 x 56.50 ET: 38.00 5-hole steel wheel.

As fitted to S model before it became extinct
205/70 R16 97H - Continental , Premium contact = £158.60 (MyTyres.co.uk) wheel & tyre.

215/65 R16 98H - Linglong = £99.20. (MyTyres.co.uk) wheel & tyre.
http://www.kouki.co.uk/utilities/visual-tyre-size-calculator http://www.kouki.co.uk/utilities/visual-tyre-size-calculator
As you know the 18" Alloys come with 215/55/18
<a href="http://www.wheelfitment.eu/PCD/5x105/56.5/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">
http://www.wheelfitment.eu/PCD/5x105/56.5/</a>
Opel Vauxhall Astra J 1.3 1.4 1.6. 2009 - ET 39

Steel wheel only,
16" from Vauxhall (part no. 95131458 is 77 quid + vat) or
http://www.oponeo.co.uk/steel-wheels/5x105Alcar KFZ 9272 £54 inc p&p

So Wheel brace £5.48 inc p&P Ebay 110912888719, (19mm socket.)
2T Ton Scissor Jack Ebay 290825699490 £14.99 (Why 2 ton? Ever seen one collapse?)
Spare in boot for 99.20+p&p + £5.48 + £14.99 = £119.67 and some bubble wrap to stop it rattling.

Edited by: Blum

theforestdweller · Jan 29, 2013

Thanks Blum

, for such an in-depth response. I was hoping for some guidance and you've provided it and more

. E-Bay was going to be my chosen route for the ancillary bits and pieces and you've even done my homework for me there me there - Really appreciate it

.

theforestdweller · Jan 30, 2013

Have just realised (unless I'm being more than usually stupid) that the dimensions above relate to a standard steel wheel rather than the Spacesaver which is what I want to source - so I think I still need help

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Blum · Jan 30, 2013

The hole in the boot is (we are told) big enough to take a full sized spare, but if you want a SS it'll have to be from an Opel Vauxhall Astra J 1.3 1.4 1.6. 2009 + or Mokka.
Tyre 125/70/16 and I believe its a 4" wheel, hard hat on, I'm off digging again!

Mokkadna · Jan 30, 2013

My dealer told me that a full size wheel should fit in the spare wheel well, where a spare tyre would normally be placed. However can anyone who is already in possession of their mokka confirm whether it does or does not fit. I know that some on the forum have purchased and fitted winter tyres. Can any of those confirm whether or not a full size alloy does actually fit in the spare wheel well. Edited by: Mokkadna

tosher · Jan 30, 2013

I have not tried a full size wheel in the well but included in the space saver wheel kit along with the jack etc is a long woven strap with a hook at each end. In the blurb it says that this is to secure the punctured spare wheel in the boot as it will not fit in the well where the space saver wheel was. Must say the well looks pretty big to me.

theforestdweller · Jan 30, 2013

Mokkadna said:
My dealer told me that a full size wheel should fit in
the spare wheel well ...

Now there's cause for alarm - the words
"dealer" and "should" in the same sentence

.
It would though be very useful if someone is in a position to actually
try and fit a full size wheel in the tyre well or maybe just measure the diameter and depth of the tyre well. From my point of view a steel wheel and
tyres from an "S" derivative as mentioned by Blum above or similar would be fine - job done for around £100

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